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There were about dancers total in the rotation, none overly amazing but nothing too terrible, although I couldn't help noticing that the bartender was by far the hottest chick in the place. Did anyone else witness these transactions or negotiations? When you pay for your one beer make sure it's a bottle and make sure you see the bar staff take the cap off the bottle. The Click Magnet Dating System. Anyway, the next visit was another afternoon visit on a weekday don't recall which , and I didn't see a single dancer while I was there. DSR Editor Rating. Club Address.

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Is there a cover charge? If there is a cover charge they should be able to tell you what it is up front at the door. Some dodgy places will say there's no cover charge on the door and still put it on the bill but there's not much you can do at that point. However, some non-dodgy places do have a cover charge to avoid people coming in then leaving in the first five minutes, sometimes this comes with a free drink token.

Best to find out before going in. Once you're inside, go to the bar. Ask how much the beer is. Ask how much the champagne is. You're going to drink beer. If you buy a girl a drink she's probably going to want champagne. Get the prices up front. If you don't like the prices, leave.

Again, dodgy establishments won't have a menu, may try to avoid telling you the price, may even try to tell you one price then rip you off later. Buy a beer, just one and pay for it there and then. Don't pay for things when you leave even if they offer it. When you pay for your one beer make sure it's a bottle and make sure you see the bar staff take the cap off the bottle.

It's less of a risk in the UK but it's not unusual in some parts of the world for some establishments to spike drinks with drugs or alcohol. Only drink bottled beer in establishments you don't know personally. How much was your beer? Was it reasonable? If not, leave. If so, go sit down.

Girls will probably come up to you. This is where the girls make the money. The bars typically take a cut per dance but make money from drinks and give the girls a kick back for drinks ordered. If two girls sit down either side of you and start giving you a lot of attention, leave.

This is an attempt to isolate you from your friends and appeal to your baser instincts to extract as much money as possible. There are two approaches you can take which is dependent on the type of place and what you're after.

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As I've said earlier, the value proposition is never in your favour if you play by their rules.

If you go in with the right mindset you can actually come out ahead. The more established places will have some sort of dress code but generally let all sorts of people in. Imagine being a fairly attractive girl and having to try to get naked with ugly smelly guys in trackies. No wonder they're only interested in your wallet.

Dress well, make sure you're clean and smell well not too much scent and don't reak of booze and you'll get plenty of attention for free, especially if the whole group dresses well. Never tell a stripper your name, what you do, where you live. These girls are desperate for money why else would they do this? Some of these girls are really nice people.

Most of these girls have serious problems. Quite a few of the ones that stay in it for the long haul become quite jaded about men. Yes it is possible to pull strippers seen it happen, never tried it, never wanted the drama but you're setting yourself up for failure if you want anything longer than a fling. Make sure the lies are at least believable though.

I cannot stress this enough. If you do this for each round you're reinforcing this behaviour which will make it harder for them to stiff you when you leave. If you get continued resistance to you doing this then leave. Make sure your chip and pin is handled properly, or even better, pay cash. In the seriously seedy establishments paying cash will mean they'll say you didn't pay for an earlier round but you should've spotted that one coming earlier and left.

Don't finish your drink. Don't listen to the girls. Just get up and leave. Pay anything that you owe and go. They may try to put all kinds of things on you, this is what you get for being in this deep. Just imagine how bad it would be if you stayed. For some places the girls make the most money from dances, for others it'll be from being bought drinks.

If you are having a good time and want to recompense the girls in some way then find out what works best for them. It's not unknown for places where girls make money with drinks to pay them in drinks so they can tap up other people, then come back and give you a free private dance later on when it's quieter. It's also a good way of getting to number This is a commercial transaction for pseudo-sexual services.

It might not feel like it but it is. Lets be honest here, these girls are unlikely to come up to you, grab your crotch and suggest they get naked in front of you unless you're offering money. Never lose sight of that. The only difference between what you're doing and prostitution is that you'll probably get more for your money with a prostitute.

Bonus tip for those who are about to comment about prostitution vs strippers and STDs - A couple of former colleagues of mine went to Vegas years back. Of course they hit the strip joints with gusto and both ended up getting pink eye from the same girl's breasts. Obviously the girl hadn't washed between rubs in faces. Who knows how many people in the club got pink eye that night.

Anyway, I hope this helps. I don't really do the strip joint thing anymore haven't done in years but hopefully this is still relevant today. I just imagined myself watching a naked man dance in front of me for an hour and laughed out loud. Can you give me your PIN so I can charge your card now please? I require payment for your imaginings From their website:. I work as Venue Manager of a nightclub, so I hope they work a similar way.

They should use Aloha Manager, or something equivalent to it. You can request your receipts from the night before, in the cold light of day. If they have a reservations email address, try this, if not, ask for specific managers. They will be instantly available as text files, with some sort of breakdown of your spend. You may want to consider embellishing your intentions by not telling them you want your money back and making up some other reason for needing them.

Once you've done this, figure out where your receipts differ from reality, then send the club manager an email. Put forward your case, at first, in a very brief, very succinct, very nice way. Club managers keep their responses very brief so people cannot argue with them. You should write no more than a couple of short paragraphs.

Keep the conversation focused. Once you have done this, hopefully he'll respond saying "apologies It gets a bit more difficult if he's trying to be a knob about it, but you should then, having collected the evidence for what they're saying you owed, approach the police, and suggest they request CCTV from your certain table if you can find out the actual number, that's always helpful , between the hours of x and y.

From this it should be submitted for review and with any luck, they'll have to at least partially refund you. In this kind of circumstance, it's very much about positioning yourself so that if it ever went to court, you'd clearly win. If you get to that position, point it out. For what it's worth, it's illegal for any establishment to remove your credit card from your line of sight.

The moment a card leaves your sight, you call the police. Taking your ID too is essentially asking to endure identity theft. Issue new cards. Get new accounts with new numbers. Get a new version of whatever ID you used and notify the Met that the old one if visibly different, different numbers on it, etc is now fraudulent if used as ID.

Other than that, you've already gone to the police about it, so that's good. I echo the advice on Chargeback, too. Speak to Amex and request information on how to make Chargeback claims, because you only have days in which to get it done. Did your friends witness the negotiations?

Were they also overcharged on their cards? Did they pay anything at all? The second I was alone, but still I'm pretty sure that's not true. Lots of bars take people's cards to run a tab or a table spend. We do that at our club, too. In the UK? The card isn't allowed to leave the customer's line of sight.

If you're taking it to where they can't see it - even below a countertop - you're being naughty. Running a tab should be started with a swipe of the customer's card with the customer present. These days I don't have the money for such acts of ostentatious generosity but sticking the card behind the bar certainly used to be common practice. If you are a university student, you might have access to free legal advice as part of the student support services offered.

Ask around, I've seen some posters around campus myself KCL other London universities will probably have something similar. It'll be full to the brim with CCTV that should show that you did not "enjoy services" of that value. Yes it'll humiliating to have that played in a small claims court, but I don't feel intensely sorry for you on that account. I must say, as a fellow student, I'm somewhat jealous that the card let that go through, I would have been very much declined.

There's no way of issuing a "chargeback"? Regardless of whether you used a PIN or not, you should still ask for one from Amex. I don't know about that, I worked for HSBC Merchant Services in their chargeback department, and I did see a few cases that weren't all that clear cut succeed. As someone who worked in such a department, how exactly do you recommend I state the case to Amex.

Any triggerwords I can use to make my case stronger? No triggerwords as such, but be completely honest, gather as much evidence as you can, I remember submissions with even photos from facebook! I can by no means say you'll be successful, I don't know how Amex work, but I really do hope you sort the bastards out. I mean this in the most non-dickhead way possible, and they're fuckers for doing this to you But surely I can't be the only one around here who would get paranoid about using a credit or debit card in a seedy strip club?

Secrets are a big chain and worth a lot of money, they're also more 'high end' then most strip clubs. It could well be that the people at the top would utterly condemn this behaviour and give you your money back. So as well as all the other strategies mentioned here I would give calling their head office a go:. If that doesn't work, kick up a stink.

Oh and when dealing with the police be specific about the situation. Thats certainly a good case to make. It might just be one of the employees trying to make an extra buck or two, but via credit card??? This indicates to me that the whole establishment is in on this scam, and he perhaps got some sort of commission for scamming me like this, who knows I will write a detailed email to the company, and mention the potential shitstorm I am about to unleash if something isn't done about these charges Strippers are all paid commission.

My ex-stripper friend used to regularly rip guys off small amounts of cash without the club knowing. And rip the club off too. Actually your story probably explains some other stories I've heard from friends about massive credit card bills from strip clubs; except that they were to drunk to remember what happened and assumed that they had authorised the payments. This is highly dubious advice.

It's far better to simply stick to the truth. Bear in mind that were you to win any case brought against them, they will also be liable to cover your legal costs. So if you brought this case to court and won, it would most likely "cost" you nothing. In all honesty the club would probably settle pretty speedily as I doubt they would have much in the way of a defence. Funny you mention this, it was and will most likely remain the only strip club I have ever been to.

It might have been one of the other branches in London though, it was 10 years ago and I forget. Anyway, what is more relevant to you is amongst the group I was in was a policeman who explained their feelings about such clubs. He said they don't really care about what happens consensually but they do lookout for various cons and then come down hard on them.

One con was that the stripper would change the price or demand a tip and bouncers would come up behind you to intimidate you. I hope everything works out for you, Busnisses should not be allowed to do this to the common person, here is some advice:. Choices if you cannot afford a lawyer. Also if things get to a certain stage maybe you should consider taking your story to the press they can put a lot of pressure on people and I'm sure the threat of bad press will increase the likelihood that they will settle out of court.

It worked for me in a similar situation. Please do an update down the road when the fog of strippers' cheap perfume has cleared up and you reach a resolution! Ok you have had a fair bit of advice so far but It may be worth Contacting the venue now and simply saying that you will be pressing charges and you will be contacting local newspapers etc.

However if they drop the charges and change it to the price you negotiated it can all be over. Just seems like the sensible thing to do. There was an article in the Sunday Times Style magazine years ago, mind you and this is quite a common scam. People are less likely to report it and they do get you to go through certain loopholes.

The guy had to explain to his wife why the mortgage wasn't paid on time, not sure if that's as sucky as spending an entire term eating only porridge. Hey dude I was in their early Jan and had same experience What police station did you report too I've seen this multiple times and it's actually quite normal.

The mistake I made is that I entered my pin, being reassured that I would be issued a receipt The cash machines in strip clubs not that I would know This is normally a second prompt after the one where it asks you to confirm the withdrawal request. Glad someone pointed this out, chip and pin machines NEVER ask you to enter your pin without showing you the amount! I've had chip and pin machines now showing the amount, so that's not true, it depends purely on the machine the club used.

It really depends on the machine - I used one an hour ago that I clearly remember didn't have the charge on the PIN screen. It had it on the screen prior, but the staff could have clicked accept. You paid with your pin. It's now your word against theirs as to who is right and who is wrong.

You gave them your card and ID, they probably photo copied it. You are well and truly fucked mate. If you do try and lawyer up they have evidence that you were in the club and authorized the charges. Your ID will be icing on the cake. You say your friends also paid for the same dance - what were there charges? I think that's the best leg you have to stand on.

That's terrible advice. He has nothing to lose and everything to gain by pursuing this further. Sorry mate, we're fucked. Might as well dig a ditch, lie down and cover ourselves in the muck and die, that's how fucked we are. It sounds to me like you just have to show up at the club with your tail between your legs and plead to have them refund some of the money. Tell the truth: If he's going to do this he has to accept zero liability and maintain the position that they took more than the agreed amount dishonestly.

I hope you learn. Sh17 happens but if I would have been invited to a 'secret' strip club I would have declined even at your age. BTW do you know the person who took you to the secret club by any chance well BTW a private dance is around 20 to 25 which lasts around 5 minutes in the normal places.

No clue what you do in an hour with a private dance Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. She did allow me to play for a very short time. Nothing else was off limits. She did a little stick shifting and other interesting things after the first couple of dances.

I did see a few probably regulars making the trip up the Well, this is definitely a YMMV club! I have been a total of 4 times, and have had 4 different experiences. The first was at night, when I was one of the only white people to be seen. I don't have an issue with this, but none of the dancers would talk to me.

I tipped several girls, and they were very nice. Granted, it was very busy. The second time I sent was the best so far. It was a late afternoon, and not as busy. There was planty goinng on for 5: I went upstairs with two girls, both lots of fun.

The first was a long lucious latina with a perfect ass. The second was a cute little brunette, with a young tight body. Good two way contact. Nothing illegal, but very fun. The second told me that the bartender thought I was a cop, and to watch out. I hope I proved to her that I am not.

Anyway, the next visit was another afternoon visit on a weekday don't recall which , and I didn't see a single dancer while I was there. Just a bunch of dudes, and a sexy bartender. I left with a pocket full of cash. This last visit was interseting. I saw the latina from the other day, and she said hi, but that's it. Guess she doesn't like me oh well.

I got a couple of dances downstairs, and oddly they were all air. I wonder if they still think I'm a cop. There was one girl who was an absolute knockout. She is white, with very short hair and lots of tats. We had a nice conversation, and she gave me a decent air danc After getting a nice dinner I found myself rolling by this place about 8: Went in and there was no one taking a cover so I walked in and found a table since the bar was full of customers and dancers standing beside them.

Place had not chanced from what I remember when I stopped in a couple years ago. Nice furnishings except for the wild fabric on the chairs that really glows the black-light. Several nice dancers ranging from 6's to 9's could be seen but the only ones that were roaming the floor were of course the 6's. A few of the dancers that were roaming cam over and wanted to sit down but I respectfully declined or said I was just in to relax and have a few drinks.

There were a lot of guys at the bar that would go to the stage and tip heavy then back to the bar. But I would see none of them actually get any dances. The group that got table side dances were the ones that were at tables then went to the stage, tipped and then got some dances.

But the only difference in tipping on stage and the table side dance was that there was a little and I mean little grinding at the table dance. As noted around 9:

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Don't listen to the girls. I was thinking about potential CCTV recordings, but this only builds a hard case to prove I did not consume any beverages, if it is indeed those which are listed on the receipt. Overall rating. He stopped at the Fox's Den on Brookpark Road and West th, where he had three beers and three more shots. This is highly dubious advice.

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